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如何評價電影《長城》?


作者:李千錦
鏈接:如何評價電影《長城》(The Great Wall)?
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IMDB國外影迷對張藝謀《長城》的評價~

譯者:李千錦


A Very Entertaining Film
Author: captainpat from Sydney
29 December 2016
As a constant film goer I was really impressed with this film. It was entertaining. The story worked well. The acting was great. And the effects were really impressive. I watched it on a big screen in Bangkok and enjoyed the experience. The sound was equally impressive.

I just can"t understand why the really negative reviews abound. Some are cursing it for having foreign actors. Others about the political situation etc. And the poor director is even getting a caning.

The story is about a legend. And it was wonderful to just sit back and let someone tell a story. I nearly didn"t go because of all the bad reviews but I am glad I went and made up my own mind.

Go and see it.


一部非常有娛樂性的電影
作者:captainpat from 悉尼
2016-12-29
作為一個忠實的電影迷,我對此片印象深刻。很精彩,故事不錯,演繹也棒。特效讓人真是讓人印象深刻。我在曼谷看的大屏幕,十分享受。音效特別棒。

我不理解為何有負面評價存在,有些人抱怨用了外國演員,另一些對政治指手畫腳,甚至可憐的導演也挨了板磚。

坐在影院後排看人講述一段傳奇故事,這感覺,相當美好。看了所有的差評,我差點沒去看,但所幸我還是去了,有了自己的判斷。

去看吧。


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There are many legends about The Great Wall, this is one of them...

Author: Dan Mihai from Craiova
26 December 2016
I just saw it in Romania in a good 3d cinema. The movie tells a legend. And it tells it so beautifully! The cinematography is breathtaking and for all the duration I was more than a movie spectator, I felt part of that legend, a character from that story, present among the troops defending the wall. If a movie succeeds in delivering such an experience, the rest is not important anymore.

In this point, I don t care anymore about plot holes or historical inaccuracies, because I came to cinema to see a fantasy, a Chinese legend with monsters and heroes. And there I was, in a war story, set in a different world, filled with amazing elements of the old Chinese culture, surrounded by exceptional warriors, beautiful landscapes and bloodthirsty monsters. I am very saddened to see the negativity among critics and public surrounding this movie. Complaining about historical inaccuracies or being racist about the mix of races is so misplaced. I hope people will go see it and ignore the bad criticism and prejudices about it.


關於長城的傳奇有很多,這是其中之一...
作者: Dan Mihai from 克拉約馬(羅馬尼亞)
2016-12-26
我是在羅馬尼亞一家不錯的3D電影院看的。電影講述的是一段非常美的傳奇故事。電影技術驚人到讓我感到不再只是一個觀眾,而是成為故事的一個角色,參與了這場傳奇,成為軍隊的一員,一起保衛長城。如果電影能做到這點,其他的都不再重要了。
基於這一點,我不在意情節漏洞或者史實誤差,因為,我來電影院就是來看一場關於中國怪獸和英雄的奇幻傳奇的。且在這裡,在一個戰爭故事裡,在一個不同的世界中,充滿令人驚奇的中國文化元素,被優秀的戰士、絕美的風景、嗜血的怪獸包圍。非常傷心看到批評者和大眾對這部電影表現出的消極,如抱怨歷史誤差,或者種族主義情緒。我希望大家去觀看,且無視那些負面評價,自己公正的評價。

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Good Story, lots of action
Author: lennybuttz from Green Bay WI, U.S.
30 December 2016
From the description I read of the movie, it sounded kind of strange and I wasn"t sure it was something I really wanted to watch. I"m glad I did. It"s an old legend or story. Is it real? I don"t know, is Santa Claus real? Does it matter if it is true or accurate? Not to me, it is a well written movie with some incredible action. The visuals are stunning to say the least. The costumes are incredible and I am very happy that most of the movie wasn"t filmed in the dark which seems to have become the habit of Hollywood these past few years.

It is sad to see Matt Damon growing old but he still did a great job, I wonder how long he"s going to be able to keep up doing physically demanding roles. If I am totally honest I would have liked the movie with a younger man in the lead role, that would have been a little more believable to me.

I totally recommend this movie, it has fantasy, action a tiny bit of romance so your girl can appreciate it, most of all it raises a lot of emotion. There were several times during the movie I was on the edge of my seat holding my breath anticipating the next moment.


好故事,動作戲很多
作者: lennybuttz from 格林灣(美國)
2016-12-30
就我讀到的電影簡介來看,很奇怪,我不太確定這是我想看的東西。所幸我還是看了。是個古老的傳奇故事。這是真實的嗎?我不知道,聖誕老人是真實的嗎?真假又有什麼關係?不止對我,對所有人來說它都是一部編劇很棒的動作大戲。至少畫面是很出色的。服裝精美絕倫,且很高興能看到此片的大部分(情節)都不像近年來的好萊塢大片那樣不知所云。

看到馬特達蒙日漸老去真讓人傷心,但他做的依然好,我想知道他為了勝任這種動作角色準備了多久。老實說,我更喜歡年輕點的演員做主角,這更能說服我。

我完全推薦這部電影,有幻想,有動作,外加一點羅曼蒂克,你的妹子會欣賞它的,最重要的,它提起你的情緒。觀影中有好幾次,我都坐做在椅子邊上屏住呼吸預料下一幕。

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Amazing visual display and acceptable level of clear plot

Author: Thomas Tang from Ningbo, China
30 December 2016
The Great Wall is truly a visual feast so would better to watch on 3D or IMAX. Some Chinese spectators have criticised its poor story and plot. However, I don"t think it is necessary to design a rather complicated story as it has to tailor towards the audiences on the globe not just for Chinese preference that non-Chinese may be uninterested in ,or that may be difficult for them to understand. So non-Chinese audiences are able to capture at least the big picture of the whole story behind. This is a well trade-off for film makers, balancing the plot to an acceptable level for international audiences.

I cant understand why so many Chinese "audiences"(they did not even watch it before making comments) pretending to be international voters with broken English, are lopsidedly voting 1 and making negative comments here without any constructive and objective ideas.And even more ridiculous,they then go back to Chinese movie - grading website, with a screenshot of their own 1 star derogatory comments, misleadingly saying that foreigners also unlike the great wall as they do.

Some even said this is a fake story. Come on haters, it is said at the beginning of the movie that this is based on one of the legend (a fairy tale) of The Great Wall.I don"t think its a point to discuss it.

Overall, I would award 9/10 the reminder 1/10 would be the length duration. It is exciting but too short. If it could extend to around 2 hours and add certain level of plot that would be awesome.

Hope to see more Hollywood-style movies with Chinese historical and cultural elements in the future.


驚奇的視覺效果,可接受的情節設置
作者: Thomas Tang from 寧波(中國)
2016-12-30
《長城》真乃一場視覺盛宴,所以最好還是看3D或者IMAX。一些中國觀眾批評其情節薄弱。然而我認為沒必要設計更複雜的情節,因為本片是為全球觀眾量身定做的,並非中國觀眾優先,要使外國觀眾感興趣,不能讓他們太難理解。這樣外國觀眾才能抓住整部電影背後的概略。這是製作者考慮到國際觀眾可接受水平的一種權衡。

我不能理解為什麼這麼多中國「觀眾」(他們在評論前甚至都沒看過)假裝國際投票者,操著他們的破英語打1分,一點建設性意見和客觀評價都沒有。更可笑的是,他們將1分差評截屏,發到中國電影評分網站,誤導國人說外國人跟他們一樣也不喜歡《長城》。

有些人甚至說故事假。得了吧,故事開頭就說明了這是個關於長城的美麗傳說。我認為這不是討論的點。

總之,我會給電影打9分,就電影長度扣1分。電影很棒,就是太短。如果電影延長到2小時左右,加點情節,就更好了。

希望未來能看到更多中國歷史和文化元素的好萊塢電影。


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I enjoy it a lot. Ignore the critics.

Author: najibmb from Singapore
31 December 2016
I can"t stand these unfair and unreliable reviews.

So, this is my first review for a Chinese film. I would say I felt the same feeling of excitement when I watched Lord of the rings (LOTR). I even like The Great Wall more than the hobbit.

We"ve watch hundreds of movies with bad reviews and we knew that as long a film has at least one 10/10 fair review, don"t hesitate to watch a movie. Ignore the noise of negative people. Let them get sick with their views.

This is great movie that combines history and fiction. Enjoy it! Just like what the actors said.. "TRUST"!!!


很享受,無視批評者
作者: najibmb from 新加坡
2016-12-31
我不能忍受這些不公平不可靠的評論。

這是我第一次看中國電影。我想說我有跟看《指環王》時一樣的感覺,甚至,我較之霍比特更喜歡這部長城。

我們看過上百部差評電影就會知道只要有一個人打10分,就不要猶豫,去看這部片。無視那些負面評論者的聲音,讓他們帶著他們的評論見鬼去吧。

這是部偉大的電影,兼有歷史和想像。享受它,就像片中演員說的...「信任」。


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Not a masterpiece for sure, yet enjoyable

Author: saeerdna
2 January 2017
If you don"t have any expectations, this film might surprise you a bit. I really liked the special effects, even if I started laughing when I first saw the antagonists.

Most scenes between battles were quite awkward, full of clichés. Yet, once the battle begins, any cliché this film might have is really fun to watch and not at all annoying.

What I hated the most was the unfortunate English accent... used during the Song dynasty (960-1279).

Overall, the plot is quite linear and simple and is centered around one important moment. Character development was welcoming, but not impressive and definitely not unexpected. The best part was not fulfilling the love sub-plot, even though I half expected this and I would have been really disappointed if it had happened.

Anyway, it was an enjoyable film with better 3D effects than I expected and many other films, so give it a try. But be open minded and admire what is to be admired.


不算傑作,但也很享受
作者: saeerdna
2017-01-02
如果你不報期望,這部電影可能會給你點小驚喜。我真的很喜歡它的特效,即使當我看到敵方時開始大笑。
戰鬥間隙的場景十分尷尬,充滿老套。而一旦戰鬥開始,陳詞濫調也變的有趣,不再令人厭煩。
我最不爽的是糟糕的英語口音...用在宋朝 (960-1279)。
總之,情節十分簡單,就圍繞在某一重要場景。角色的發展挺受人歡迎,但不算令人印象深刻,也完全不意外。最好的部分沒有讓愛情這一次要情節豐滿起來,儘管我還是期望,就算真的發生,我還是會失望吧。
無論如何,這是部比我期待的要好的也比很多其他電影要好的爽片,所以,可以看看。但是要持開放的心態,欣賞值得欣賞的。


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A good balance of East and West

Author: phd_travel from United States
9 January 2017
First of all this is a movie about fighting monsters - not a fact based historical epic. So don"t take it that seriously and you"ll have an okay time. The great wall is the center of a fight against some invading dragon dinosaur like creatures.

There have been criticisms of having a white hero in the lead role. But it"s just a monster movie so take it easy. There should have been more of the "saving" done by Chinese characters but to be fair they did make the white people look scruffy and the Chinese ones pretty/handsome. Matt Damon does look kind of short and puffy here compared to the Chinese cast. Liked Pedro Pascal the excellent detective Pena from Narcos as Matt"s partner in crime. Tian Jing is a feisty enough female commander. So all is fair race wise in this war.

Overall there is a good balance between East and West. A Western screenplay by Max Brooks keeps things going quickly without the irritating self sacrifice and slow dialog of the recent Jackie Chan Adrien Brody movie. Director Zhang Yimou is known for extravaganzas and sometimes the action does look circus acrobat like. But it"s not too bad - the excessive slow motion deaths and explosions that plague some Chinese movies isn"t such a problem here.


東西方的絕好平衡
作者: phd_travel from 美國
2017-01-09
首先這是個打怪的電影,不是基於事實的史詩。別那麼嚴肅,放輕鬆。長城是抵抗一種龍和恐龍混合型生物進攻的核心。

有些人批判其中有個白人英雄做主角。但這只是個怪獸電影,所以還是平常心吧。為了平衡,他們將白人弄得邋裡邋遢,而華人演員都漂亮英俊。對比華人演員,馬特達蒙看起來矮小且浮腫。達蒙的搭檔,《毒梟》里飾演傑出偵探Pena的佩德羅·帕斯卡也一樣。景甜是個精力足夠充沛的女指揮官。這場戰鬥智慧地體現了種族公平。

總之東西方有一個很好的平衡。Max Brooks的西方劇本讓情節快速推進,沒有讓人不爽的自我犧牲,也沒有最近成龍和阿德里安·布羅迪電影中的那種慢節奏對話。張藝謀作為一位大型娛樂表演的導演為人熟知,有時拍的動作戲看起來像馬戲團的雜技。但還不算太壞--一直困擾中國電影的那些爆炸和死亡的慢鏡頭在這裡也不算問題。

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This movie simply tries to do too many things at once
Author: Kevin-42 from somewhere out there
29 December 2016
First of all, this movie does a lot of things right. The costume designs are great, the set designs are very convincing and the CGI is, although not cutting edge, up to modern standards in film-making. The music score could have been better but maybe the composer had a Chinese audience in mind.

The acting will not win any Oscars but we see some genuine moments of emotion and bonding and believe it or not but there are one or two scenes with a good suspense arc. Moreover, Jing Tian has a nice smile and looks really fine in uniform. That might be my own idiosyncratic standard but an attractive female lead certainly adds to the "positives".

With all that praise then, why does it fall short of being a truly great movie? As my summary indicates it is simply overloaded with too many plot devices. It"s a hero/East meets West/monster/action/tale of betrayal and redemption/romance/fantasy movie loaded with Chinese symbolism capped by a rather weak, anticlimactic and hurried cookie-cutter ending. The audience never has enough time to get emotionally invested in the characters. The script tries but there simply isn"t enough time to do it all and eventually the movie does too little to explore any of the plot elements and characters.

Nevertheless, it is not a bad movie and certainly not ambitious enough to deserve any of the vitriol people read into the story without ever watching the movie. I was entertained but not really awestruck.


簡單來說電影想一股腦兒做的事情太多
作者: Kevin-42 from 不知道是哪裡
2016-12-29
首先,這部電影很多事情做對了。服裝設計很棒,道具設計也有說服力,至於畫面,雖不算頂尖,但也達到了電影製作的現代水平。音樂得分本可以更高的,可能作曲者潛意識裡是要面對中國觀眾吧。
表演不會獲奧斯卡獎項,但我們也看到了一些純粹感情碰撞的橋段,無論信與不信,有那麼一兩個靈光閃現的時刻。此外,景甜笑起來很甜,穿起軍裝也很好看。可能是我比較奇怪的標準吧,但一個吸引人的女領導當然增加了些積極性。
褒揚完後,它作為一部真正偉大的電影又有哪些不足呢?正如我表明的,情節設置過於臃腫,此片涵括英雄/東西方碰撞/怪獸/動作/背叛故事/以及救贖/羅曼史/幻想,又以薄弱的、虎頭蛇尾的、倉促的、千篇一律的結尾來致敬中國式的象徵主義。觀眾根本沒有足夠時間將感情投入給角色。劇本做了努力,但還是不夠時間,最後電影在角色和情節上的挖掘太少。
然而,電影還不算太壞,對於還沒看過的刻薄觀眾來說不夠有雄心。本片很有娛樂性,但也不足以令人肅然起敬。

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I"ve never thought it would be THIS good...
Author: Darryl Lazakar from Pontianak, West Borneo, Indonesia
14 January 2017
*** This review may contain spoilers ***
I"ll be honest, I thought that this movie will be very bad. Came out in the month where movies expected to be blessed with negative reviews, it was no surprise that I thought it would be one of those ill-fated movies.

In the end, I"ve underestimated it.

"The Great Wall" follows William (Matt Damon), a mercenary who tries to obtain the "Black Powder", a deadly explosive, only to get caught in a battle against monsters that awakens every 60 years. For those who doubt that it will be good, mark my words: Don"t underestimate this movie. The movie was a surprise all the way to finish. The acting was great, The visuals were amazing, the cinematography was breathtaking, and the action were incredible. Matt Damon as always gives a fine performance as the hero (Heck, even his Mandarin, although only a word, is very good). Andy Lau were also great as Strategist Wang in his first Hollywod movie. The biggest surprise was the female lead played by Jing Tian, she"s really good and surprisingly, pretty fluent in English. William Dafoe (I not expect him to be in this movie) is also very great. Lu Han (Yes EXO-L"s! It"s EXO"s Luhan!) is a scene stealer. Although he has a small role, He"s very good at acting and truly one of my favorite characters in the movie. My criticism was it"s plot. It"s basic idea is like Independence Day with Chinese culture mix. Although it actually worked very well, but *SPOILER ALERT!!!* Kill the queen or we all die?", come on writers, you can do better than this. Another one is the length. A 100 minute movie isn"t enough for a story with this kind of scale. If only the studio made it like 2 hours, it would be better for more character development and understanding the story.

Additionally, I don"t understand all the negative reviews, especially from Chinese audiences. I"m a Chinese-Indonesian, and I absolutely love this movie. I saw criticism about the main lead being American. I"m telling you, there are 5 main leads in the movie, and *SPOILER ALERT!!!* 3 of them are Chinese, Plus most of the focus IMO are directed to the Chinese main characters. Another one is that the movie isn"t based on the legend of The Great Wall. This is a fantasy movie, so of course it"s not! The film even mentioned it in the beginning!!! To me, these negative reviews are purely hate for this movie. I think that most of them haven"t seen the movie and simply hate it for no reason.

Overall it was a surprisingly good movie, and arguably one of the greater movies in January. If you want to see a fantasy movie, this is a perfect movie for you


從沒想到會這麼好
作者: Darryl Lazakar from 印度尼西亞
2017-01-14
*** 這篇評論可能有劇透 ***
老實說,我以為這部電影會非常糟糕。拜負面評論所賜,不出意外又是部爛片。
最後,我失算了。
《長城》講述一個叫威廉(馬特達蒙)的僱傭兵想竊取被稱為「黑火藥」的致命炸藥,黑火藥只能在對付一種60年蘇醒一次的怪獸的戰鬥中獲取。對懷疑這部電影不好看的人,這是我的評論:不要低估這部電影。這部電影從頭到尾都是驚喜。動作很棒,視效令人震驚,激動人心。動作戲讓人覺得不可思議。馬特達蒙將一個英雄飾演的很到位(他的普通話也非常好,儘管只有一個單詞)。劉德華在他第一部好萊塢大片里將王軍師這個角色演繹的也很好。最大的驚喜是演女頭領的景甜,她的表現出人意料的好,英語非常流利。威廉.達福(不希望他出現在這部戲裡)也非常棒。鹿晗(沒錯,就是EXO的鹿晗)很搶鏡。儘管他只是個小角色,但非常擅長演戲,真的是此片我最喜歡的角色之一。我批評的是情節。基本上就是一部混有中國文化的《獨立日》。儘管做的不錯,但「殺死獸王,否則我們都得死?」(劇透),得了吧編劇,你可以做的更好。另一個就是電影的長度。這種規模的電影100分鐘根本不夠。如果做到2小時,對於角色發展和故事理解可能會更好。
此外,不太理解所有的負面評論,尤其是來自中國觀眾的。我是個華裔印尼人,我絕對喜歡這部電影。我看到關於主演是美國人的批評。那我告訴你,電影里有5個主角(劇透),其中3個都是中國人,在我看來,大部分焦點都在中國主演身上。另一個是批評電影並非建立在真實長城的傳奇上。這是個奇幻片,當然不是了!電影開頭就提到了。對我來說,這些負面評論者純粹是恨這部電影。我想他們大部分都還沒看過這部電影,只是毫無理由的恨。

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A visual feast, excellent sound design and performance
Author: kaitang-60542
8 January 2017
*** This review may contain spoilers ***
I don"t remember the last time I felt a movie was too short. This movie kept me entertained all the way. The chemistry between Matt and Pedro is great. The Chinese actors were good, they weren"t supposed to speak perfect English. Their facial expressions were good and the directing is better than a lot of similar popcorn movies.The sound design rumbled the theater and in a fog fight scene, I felt like I was there with Matt and Pedro in the mist. SJWs complain about race, like they always do. They attack anything from China as the guardian always do, nothing new. They ask for "character development" because they want to sound smart.Since when did popcorn movies have a deep plot? You don"t judge a pop song with classical standards. If you do, it means you don"t know what you are talking about and you are trying to pass of as a pro. And why look at rotten tomatoes when the movie is not even out in the west? That proves they just want to troll. Good critics would never asks for historical accuracy in a popcorn fantasy. What they want is "Shindler"s list" in Star wars costumes because they forget their age and Spielberg would never be so confused. This movie was made for a wide audience.Not just a specific group. Comic relief tells you to not take it so seriously. It was meant for pure visual and audio spectacle. As Zhang"s Beijing Olympics opening. And Zhang did a great job with a script he didn"t write. He and Ang Lee are two rare directors that can transition comfortably between east and west. All in all, I was entertained for almost two hours without boredom. In my theater no one got up to leave. They stayed for the ending soundtrack and credits. Everyone seems like they could use another half an hour of film. I have never seen this before.

一場視覺盛宴,優秀的聲樂和表演
作者: kaitang-60542
2017-01-08
*** 這篇評論可能有劇透 ***
我已經不記得最後一部讓我覺得短暫的電影了。這部電影讓我一整天都熱情高漲。馬特和佩德羅關係的變化很棒。中國演員都很好,他們不必說完美的英語。他們的面部表情很到位,演繹的比很多同類爆米花電影都要好。影院音響轟鳴聲和煙霧籠罩的場景讓我感覺自己就和馬特、佩德羅在那兒一樣。SJWs像他們往常一樣抱怨人種問題。他們像往常一樣攻擊所有關於中國的東西,一點不新鮮。他們要求「角色刻畫」,因為他們想讓自己聽起來牛逼。什麼時候爆米花電影有過很深刻的情節設計了?你不會按古典音樂的標準來要求一首流行歌曲吧。如果你是這樣,意味著你根本不知道自己在說什麼,你不專業。電影還沒在西方上映你為什麼要看爛番茄?只能證明你們是網痞。好的批評者從來不會給爆米花奇幻電影找歷史紕漏。因為他們忘了自己的年紀,想要的是《星球大戰》戲服里的《辛德勒名單》,斯皮爾伯格從來不會這麼困惑。這部電影是為更廣大的觀眾製作的,而非針對某一特殊群體。喜劇的穿插告訴你別這麼嚴肅。它就是純粹的視覺效果和音響奇觀。就像北京奧運會一樣,張藝謀將這個不是他寫的劇本做的很好。他和李安都是能將東方西方老練轉換的優秀導演。總而總之,我在這將近2小時里很享受,沒有一點厭煩。在我的影廳里,片尾字幕出現之前都沒有一個人離座。每個人看起來都可以再看半小時電影。這個我以前從沒見過。
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為什麼不給tfboy配個音啊,聽他念台詞,真的覺得尷尬得不要不要的。


全場最佳,狂鼠鹿晗。
被動爆炸,為隊友製造輸出環境。


我方陣營。
狂鼠鹿晗
半藏馬達
黑白合景甜
托比昂彭于晏
黑影磁石
戰地指揮官王俊凱


不談電影本身,評論里很多人吐槽景甜的英語口語,作為一個路人我實在看不下去,她在戲中的英語說得真有那麼差嗎?難道不比劉天王說得好?最起碼發音清楚,口音也不彆扭,能表現出這種水平很不錯了。那些吐槽的人,建議自己錄一段聽聽自己說出來的英語吧!


我覺得景甜這次翻身了,嗯,360度。劇透下馬達最後選擇不跟景小姐好,可能他也覺得背景這麼深的女人不屬於他。


說一下射箭的部分。開頭契丹騎兵的部分一看就是專業騎射人員,很贊。小馬雜耍的那一段也是很正宗的英式長弓架子,很贊。至於城牆上那些穿紅衣服的,你們還是用弩吧!


從大場面來說,絕對是沒得挑。

今天晚上才看完,剛看完的時候覺得超級好看,熱血沸騰,其實是沒仔細思考。

有幾點自我感覺不大妥當:
1、五軍將領居然那麼輕易狗帶了…… 可能因為需要描述的場景過於宏大,很多人物線並不完整。
2、這點我需要很慎重的說……有些演員一張嘴,真的容易齣戲,就是一愣的感覺。
3、那個歪果仁巴德拉?還是巴什麼的 並不知道他具體存在的意義是什麼。 可能我看的太淺薄。


但是片尾曲《緣分一道橋》巨好聽啊!
目測我從到家到現在一直單曲循環 方文山作詞 王力宏作曲 王力宏 譚維維演唱 真的好聽 可以說 一首歌講出了一部《長城》

還有畫面非常美, 起霧那段猶如水墨畫一般。


沒事看點跑男的我,看著鄭凱鹿晗什麼的,分分鐘齣戲啊。


這道題是不是為了號召某些為黑而黑的知乎er通過批張藝謀來裝逼?


誰再說景甜有演技我跟他急!

這是換湯不換藥的大雜燴。即便交給了老謀子,也是一副爛牌。在主演攝影編劇製片全是好萊塢的情況下老謀子也只能退而求其次,披上中國風的外衣,無論是長城大怪獸還是饕餮覓食亦或是皇宮七彩戰(事實上故宮大戰讓我覺得中南海陷落這種劇情也不遠了)都是老謀子的無奈之舉啊,奈何好萊塢就喜歡那套漏斗式劇情,無論是之前的殭屍世界大戰還是獨立日,先從大場面的失控再到個人英雄拯救世界,這無疑是既吸引了噱頭也省了不少錢,可惜好萊塢百試不爽的花招換上中國風咋就那麼違和呢?摧毀母體所有嘍啰停擺這種熟悉的套路不禁讓我懷疑長城的編劇是不是和獨立日的編劇是同一個人?
在景甜那生氣的時候眉頭都不鄒一下的「影后級」演技的摧殘下本以為這部電影的下限也就如此,知道我們等來了王俊凱,當他一張口,滿屏尷尬撲面而來,我們只能懷念唯一有演技的為了中國電影新聲代而默默的半路out的張涵予叔叔,好在還有華仔挺到了最後.....至於彭于晏,僅有的幾句吼出來的台詞倒也秒殺了鹿晗這個本色出演的懦弱小生。
不過無所謂,我就是去看特效和呆萌的
不知道聽著景甜的英語呆萌有沒有想趕緊回國去諜影重重接受CIA的摧殘?
呆萌在長城下的戰鬥實在太有拯救大兵瑞恩的feel了,不過這次終於輪到他拯救別人了。
中外合作的第一次,中國人也許並不喜歡,但也無妨想看看神秘東方國度的老外們飽餐一頓。
我以為景甜已經是下限了 想不到還有個王俊凱 他一開口我直接吐了好嗎!

景甜在收割男神的路上早已讓唐嫣觸不可及 而TF boys還是好好的唱歌吧

王俊凱「你們怎麼當禁軍的!饕餮把我的大臣我的百姓都吃光了!」我「我們就是放它們進來咬死這電影里所有人的 順便咬死導演編劇製片人!反正呆萌有CIA救」

景甜乾爹可以收買饕餮讓它們不吃景甜 犧牲的是汴梁的黎民百姓啊!大宋要亡啊!


挺好看的,理由:

1、確實視覺效果很好,而且因為這次拍的都是咱們長城和古代將士的視覺大片,看起來比國外大片更激動;

2、節奏好,情節簡單,看視覺大片就別燒腦了,節奏真挺好,開局不多久大高潮就來了一波,中間夜襲和聽風是另一種緊張,然後悲壯最後高潮,基本沒有尿點;

3、中國風和魔獸風這次融合的相當自然,情節口味一看就是中外通殺,能把這事搞得大家都照顧到也挺不容易;

4、最擔心景甜拖累電影品質,但看後還好,這個角色定位只需要英姿颯爽就好了,這次造型和拍攝符合了這一點,大家其實看國際版預告片就大概能感受到這點。

不足:場面夠大,但總覺得具體的細節不完全真實,沒有拳拳到肉也沒有特別給力的特寫,比如那個跳下去殺怪,特別好一概念,前面渲染的特別牛,但真的跳下去後殺起來含含糊糊的,反而是拉起來的帶血空圈有點那感覺。本來看到幾個兵種時很期待,但基本也都簡單帶過,看完後反而不太能感受到每個兵種牛在哪特別在哪了。


前任統領死的太弱雞,你要說被偷襲了那還行,看到裝死的,做了十足準備小心前進,還是被怪獸把統帥殺了,你想這要放戰場上豈不是以一敵千的節奏,那還打個p,這裡應該是偷襲致死不應該是大家提防半天還被怪得手。當然娛樂電影不該這麼較真。


電影完全拋棄了講歷史背景講皇權講社會結構等等一切,這些地方做了非常簡化的描述,我覺得不錯,沒必要什麼都拉來宮廷內鬥啊人文矛盾啊社會鬥爭等中國歷史橋段,從導演角度看是為了讓外國人看的更輕鬆,從電影上看反而是放開了手腳專心描寫這個人與獸的戰鬥。

但也只能誇到這裡了,因為畢竟就是個視覺片,在視覺方面有很大突破,不是質量上,而是我覺得第一次把長城、中國軍隊、怪獸三件事拍和諧了,這下長城和中國軍隊就躍上世界舞台了,或者不叫中國可以叫東方文化,景甜演的這個類似「春麗」的形象,至少做遊戲做手辦做漫畫都可以,大家可以參考古墓麗影輸出的勞拉形象,一種文化符號,所以才特別可惜跳下去後殺的太含糊了,否則這一形象還能再經典一些。


不僅致敬了權力遊戲,還致敬了功夫熊貓


張藝謀要出一部經典冷卻時間太長,不幸的是長城就在這段時間內,就如同十年前的黃金甲一樣


《長城》好久沒看過這麼好的中國電影了,看的是IMAX3D的,難怪老謀子要推薦看這個版本,效果我想真不是一般的3D或者小屏幕能比擬的。

看完熱淚盈眶,事實它並不是空洞而無內容,它除了老謀子一貫的大場面風格,是一場視覺盛宴,還表現了中國人很多傳統的優良品質。劇中滿滿的中國元素,長城 饕餮 火藥 中國鼓 五色盔甲 烽火台 狼煙 孔明燈 秦腔 古詩 古城 古兵器 古傢具 身上穿的古裝 絲綢 各種古建築 還有類似大小雁塔的塔 貌似還有鐘鼓樓,就連人躲著時面前擋的石頭,也是刻著八卦的……還有將士們誓死保衛國家的信仰,還有古人的待客之道,明顯彰顯我大禮儀之邦啊……

此劇如果能在國際上大火,對中國旅遊業必造成不可估量的影響。老謀子,為你點贊。世界需要了解這樣大氣磅礴的中國。


誠實地說,有想看長城的念頭確實是因為裡面的演員(粉鄭愷和黃軒),後來看劇情簡介也可以,就買票了。
看完之後,有這樣幾種感覺:
1.張藝謀仍然保持了自己對色彩的堅持(五彩的禁軍、彩色窗戶等),也加入了鮮明的民族文化(插曲等)。
2.不愧為國際團隊,畫面、特效贊。很多特寫鏡頭,也很多宏大場景。
3.兩個外國兄弟的對話為影片的嚴肅氛圍添了些輕快,感覺比較美式幽默。
4.景甜……好多人黑。可能是這次的角色自帶嚴肅臉氣質,我覺得還好,但英語口語很中國。
5.演員陣容,其實主角應該是景甜和達蒙了。鹿晗應該也算一個重要角色(從被嫌棄到關鍵時刻犧牲自己)。還有就是,這部電影選角個人感覺利弊相當。明星多確實一定程度上吸引票房,但明星時不時地出來一小下,其實有點兒跳戲,影響整體的電影感受(每出來一個熟悉面孔,就會有一陣議論)。
6.劇情一般般,果然是中西合資電影,感覺威廉(達蒙飾)在這場保衛之戰重要性大於等於林將軍(景甜飾)。
7.價值觀應該是責任情義重於慾望吧(本人思想高度不夠,就看到這了)。

暫時就想到這麼多,僅個人感受,歡迎指教交流~


電影上映前看到張藝謀談到最多的就是文化輸出、中國元素,這部片子里中國元素確實做到位了,或者說是太過到位,可以看出來張藝謀在民族化視覺符號上下足了功夫,第一場對戰饕餮的戲中中國古代的作戰水平令人咂舌,千軍萬馬的人海戰術又被用上了,實在體現了中國作為第一人口大國的民族特色,但是卻給人用力過度的感覺。對於北京奧運會開幕式上的人海戰術不被看好張導給出的解釋是:中國人覺得習以為常的事,往往能吸引外國人的目光,so,中國人當然人是人多到不想再看人了,挺羨慕外國早晚高峰也許不堵車,但外國人會羨慕你們人多?的確是吸引眼球,但是意義呢?中國人多地大物博又神秘這點,不需要你展示人家也知道了,不然就不會有八國聯軍來闖你家門了。中國人自己不喜歡的東西又有什麼自信讓別人去喜歡?而且電影開頭的人多這點反倒給我跪舔西方的感覺,你特么那麼多的人,說死就死反正人多不怕死全死光了最後一個馬特達蒙就把你們這些炮灰給救了,好牛逼啊,你們人多有什麼用,比不上一個馬特達蒙啊,彭于晏張涵予這樣在主旋律電影里被捧上天的中國明星,在好萊塢明星光環下只配當炮灰啊,但是景甜不一樣啊,人家演(y)技(b)好(j),一句信任就能說服外邦人,是不是太意淫了。

說到文化輸出,新聞聯播談的最多的是文化自信,我想張藝謀表現出來自信無非就是:我們武器裝備如何先進,外國人都要來偷武器,你們不要以為現在你們發達了就了不起,我們古代是比你們牛逼的!

歷史已經過去了,文化輸出更應該是社會主義中國的文化輸出而不是對歷史上的東方霸主小傲嬌作沉浸式回憶,中國人最想看到的應該是我們社會主義中國的優越性。社會主義重集體主義,資本主義重個人主義,這個區別在影片中是有所體現的,而且導演想說的是:你們應該捨棄個人主義,服從我們的集體主義。但沒有一點說服力!
馬特達蒙之前一直堅信個人主義,這點是使他存活至今的原因,個人主義給了他活下去的機會,那麼集體主義呢?可以看到中國軍隊每個戰士都信奉集體主義,為什麼信?他們從中得到了什麼?我只看到一個個不要命地往前沖沒有看到一點情感動力,馬特達蒙就這樣被景甜的眼神殺說服了,為啥?為了拯救人類?為了保家衛國?為了守護地球?沒有一點情感戲做支撐的集體主義看起來更像對景甜的個人崇拜吧?沒有講清楚原因你讓我信?什麼年代了還搞封建迷信?唯一的亮點是鹿晗,為什麼他的戲會被認可,因為只有他這條線看到有人性的偉大,我們看他從一個懦弱的小兵成長為一個民族勇士,看到一個小人物的付出,而其他人的犧牲和劇情走向沒有絲毫令人動容的地方。可以原諒中國導演暫時講不好這個故事,被贊得更多的還是批判現實主義,《驢得水》明明背景放在民國卻還是那麼多人問這片能過審?在我朝人民沒有更多獲得感,暫時嗯我相信只是暫時感覺不到所謂的優越性時,那麼只好沉浸在過去的優越感當中了。

民族性講不好沒關係,我們可以挖掘人類共有的情感內容以東方的形式引起世界共鳴。比如:我的願望是世界和平!饕餮要滅了中國那你們西方文明同樣不保所以你們應該加入我們共同對付饕餮,就這樣一個簡單的情感動力,劇情發展中並沒有提到反而是放在了結尾,Queen死了,我們大家都安全了,最後景甜對馬特達蒙說:我們是一樣的!我們都很無私!然而我卻覺得馬特達蒙留下的原因並不是希望世界和平,而是他看上了景甜,不忍心看她被饕餮吃了!你要以這個理由也ok啊愛情的力量很偉大啊!然而影片也並沒有提到令你沖昏頭腦的愛情。
人性有很多的挖掘點,比如同樣和饕餮一樣玩人海戰術的《釜山行》,每一個小角色都讓人看到了人性的光輝或醜惡,每個小角色的死都不是白死,不是為了便當而死,而本片,饕餮出現的原因--貪婪,提到了人性共有的醜惡面,那就有很多可以挖掘的了,比如西方人來偷火藥也是一種貪婪,是否可以把這種貪婪與對抗饕餮相聯繫,我一直帶著一種期待視野坐等西方人帶著火藥出逃如何遇到情感上的衝擊轉折而回頭與中國人共同保衛世界和平,可惜沒有。

當然我們不能否認張藝謀導演的努力,攝影出身的張藝謀,已經把畫面感和中國元素表現得很好了,很多人說《英雄》之後再無張藝謀,其實也不是,在第五代導演剛出來那個時代,也是中國從文x革到改革開放的特殊時期,之所以第五代導演創造了民族電影史的一段輝煌歷程,也是拜時代所賜,他們親身經歷的那段變革是當代青年無法真正感同身受的,而如今時代變了,他們抵擋不住時代,商業潮流和時代巨變也是他們那代導演難以掌控的。文化輸出的願望可能還是要指望實現中華民族偉大復興的新一代導演了,希望2050的導演們是能真正創造出體現社會主義中華民族優越性的影片,完成老一輩導演的文化輸出夢。


不管大家怎麼評價,我都要去電影院看一下,我只相信自己的感觀。
不過有一點很氣憤,國人對很多東西雙標嚴重啊。國產車,噴!國產手機,噴!出個產品都要給你數出來裡面有多少零件是進口的,有進口零件好意思叫自己自主生產?真是醉了。


契丹人才是真的厲害,與饕餮在一個地方住這麼久還能愉快的獵人頭,還能愉快的談笑風生


看完我就陷入了深深的沉思:

幾十萬人里出不了一個百步穿楊神弓手?還得從國外引進?果然需要我們左手右手一個慢動作啊~

大宋果然藥丸啊!


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